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Hey all! Guess what? DS_Workshop's hiatus is over! We'll be starting off a new series of Workshop posts next week with a post from [livejournal.com profile] nos4a2no9 about the RCMP. YAY!!

What we need now are volunteers to go in the weeks after Nos.

How to volunteer:
1. Go pick out a question from the master question list. There are still LOTS of craft of writing/DS-specific questions there that haven't been answered, or you can take a subject that HAS been answered and discuss it from another angle. Also, if you don't find anything you want to lead a discussion on, you can add a new question to the list (by commenting to it) and then volunteer to answer your own question (sneaky, eh? *g*).

2. Comment below claiming the topic you want to cover.

I'd love it if we could go back to having people post once every week or two.

Last, if anyone has any questions about how this works or suggestions for making this a better workshop, please either leave a comment here or email me!

Thanks, everybody!! ♥

Date: 2008-01-23 05:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] belmanoir.livejournal.com
I would love to post about how to avoid a generic sex scene!

Date: 2008-01-23 11:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] belmanoir.livejournal.com
i thought about this all day at work and i can see it's going to turn into this monster post, plus i want to ask for input from my f-list...is it okay if i go two weeks after Nos instead of the next week?

Date: 2008-02-09 08:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] belmanoir.livejournal.com
hey, it turns out i'm going to be on vacation out of town the 16th to the 24th. i can definitely have the post done by the end of this week, but i won't be at my computer all that much to participate in discussion. is it okay if i post the 25th? sorry to be a flake, but hopefully that does give you a bit more time to line up someone to go after me---and if you'd rather i post earlier anyway, i can do that. so let me know.

Date: 2008-02-11 12:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] belmanoir.livejournal.com
sure, i can do that! so look for a part one that's like, general philosophy of sex scenes plus a couple specific suggestions probably around this thursday or friday, and then on the 25th, a part two that's more specific tips and some special genre stuff (kinkfic, casual sex, etc), plus some tips for more experienced sex scene writers who feel like they've lost the spark. does that sound good?

Date: 2008-02-13 04:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] belmanoir.livejournal.com
hey sageness--so i've got the full post mostly written, and, um, it's easily 5000 words. i can certainly try to cut it down if you'd prefer, or i can break it up into more posts, or...? i was gonna break it into 2 like you suggested, but...2500 words isn't THAT long, but it's also kind of a big chunk to expect a lot of people to read at once. however, i'm also not sure what kind of a posting schedule you have at this point, and i definitely don't want to hog the comm.

Date: 2008-02-04 10:10 am (UTC)
luzula: a Luzula pilosa, or hairy wood-rush (Default)
From: [personal profile] luzula
Hi, I'm going dogsledding for a week in the beginning of April, so after that I could post about how dogsledding works. If you think it would fit in here? *unsure* I mean, it's not exactly a "craft of writing" topic, but it is something that comes up a lot in dS fic.

Date: 2008-03-04 06:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nos4a2no9.livejournal.com
That is an awesome idea for a craft post, [livejournal.com profile] luzula! I cannot wait to hear all about your trip and learn the technical side of mushing. *anticipates*

Also, got the story! I am betaing as we speak! (Errr, type)

Date: 2008-03-04 06:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nos4a2no9.livejournal.com
Sage, did I confirm that I'd put up that "Part 2" post about northern Canada? I was all distracted in chat and, y'know, busy talking about Ray Kowalski, Fireman. (Witness my attempts to publicly pressure you into writing that story. PRESSURE PRESSURE PRESSURE!)

If you have space I could post sometime in the next week or two weeks; otherwise it'll have to wait until mid/late April. Between [livejournal.com profile] bitchinparty, final essays and end-of-semester exams, late March is a bit packed. And I really want to give the whole, "Where does Benton Fraser buy his pornography?" question the attention it deserves.

Date: 2008-03-04 07:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nos4a2no9.livejournal.com
Awesome! I'll try to put something up around the end of next week. [livejournal.com profile] belmanoir's posts have been terrific, and I hope they generate a lot of discussion. She gives advice about writing kinkfic! That is the most amazingly helpful thing ever! *celebrates the Bel*

And I am very glad to hear Ray Kowalski, Firefighter is, uh, we'll go with baking. All sooty and smoke-scented and sweaty and...okay, I'll stop. Awesome news! \o/
From: [identity profile] verushka70.livejournal.com
While wandering about this site, I ran across this question:

What's the best way to structure a story that doesn't use a conventional A-B-C plotline? I want (desperately) to write a story that manipulates time and incorporates a lot of flashbacks/flash-forwards but I'm not sure how to go about it, or what to avoid. Can someone help?


While I've only done this non-narrative flashback/flashforward type story once (Don't Look Straight At It) (http://community.livejournal.com/ds_flashfiction/583846.html), I got some quite useful comments from readers that leads me to believe I may have a clue, at least somewhat, about writing this way.

I wouldn't only reference myself, of course; there are other non-narrative / non-chronological fics out there which I would also reference, although I can't speak to the authors' techniques -- only to what seems to "work."

Also, I think it needs to be said that writing this type of story can be tricky because right off the top, you may lose some of the audience -- in the way that my mother, and many other people, can not follow non-chronological movies that have Tarentino-esque or Memento-esque plots, and eventually become so confused they become frustrated and stop watching.

Reading this type of fic -- like watching that type of movie -- requires a certain amount of concentration and interest on the part of the reader/viewer. In other words, it requires a reader who is willing to do "the work" of reading the story. The reader must be willing to commit to it. This means you have to "hook them" from the start so they're willing to commit (but hooking the reader from the start is addressed in another question, so I wouldn't answer that entirely).

If the reader is looking for light entertainment, and you're giving them a more complicated, non-narrative story with flashforwards and flashbacks, they may just skip over it in favor of something that doesn't require as much "work" to read.

Well, let me know if responding to this question would be okay.
From: [identity profile] verushka70.livejournal.com
Um, sure I could post in a week or two after she goes. (When will that be, exactly?? Just want to make sure I make the deadline...)
From: [identity profile] verushka70.livejournal.com
Yay, squishy range of time! *g* Us deadline-challenged folks thank you. I can't even make the [livejournal.com profile] ds_snippets deadlines; missed one this past weekend. D'oh!
From: [identity profile] verushka70.livejournal.com
Um, I am working on this, and hope to be done in the next three days... is that ok?
From: [identity profile] verushka70.livejournal.com
Dude, I am very lame and clearly did not get it done in the 3 days I had hoped. RL frakked with me as did work, and then this horrible writer's block freeze-up of "who the hell do I think I am writing about this?" !! I am working on it, but... these things should be beta-ed, right? Because, like, I'm floundering and I suck.
From: [identity profile] verushka70.livejournal.com
OK, I'm getting my sh*t together... should be able to send you something tonight or in the wee hours.
From: [identity profile] verushka70.livejournal.com
Finally submitted to "the moderation queue"!! Whew. I don't think I could possibly present every end-all be-all, but I was... rather exhaustive. I think. But organized.

I think.

And now, to bed, for I must get up in like 4.5 hours for my 12 hour shift. At the ER. When it's so nice out, people are shooting each other again.

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